Curse

MrFuzzles · Jun 23, 2007, 07:57 AM // 07:57

The difference between good and bad people are those who are nice to be nice, and those who are nice to earn something in return. It's a fine line between kindness and manipulation. Greed is the root of all evil.

Government Flu · Jun 23, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

I am nice, but only to a certain extent. For instance, I will sometimes answer questions people have, especially in crowded districts where no one seems to care. Usually my answers satisfy them and we're both off to continue whatever it is we were doing.

I even give detailed information if the person seems interested. I recall telling someone what elite tomes do even though he had no interest to buy the item I was selling. So I merely showed it to him in the trade window, explained, and then went back to attempting a sale of the tome. No big deal.

I used to give away low end weapons to beginning players, but have long since stopped doing it because the time it takes to give away these weapons is just too costly.

I sometimes give away a small amount of gold to random people if their cause seems just to me. For instance, I will not give a person cash for a run to Droknar's Forge, but am more than happy to assist someone trying to get maximum armor if the sum they're asking for is reasonable.

That about wraps it up.

GodofAcid · Jun 23, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

It's unfortunate that some people are slime like this. In the past few months, I've gone out of my way to help 2 new guild members in particular. I've helped them with missions, helped them learn about the game, and given them items for things like armor, etc. Both of them ended up basically taking me for all they thought I was worth, and leaving the guild without so much as a goodbye. I've never heard another word from either of them. I don't do nice things for people because I expect anything in return, but if someone helped me out like I helped them, I'd at least thank them and say goodbye if I was going to leave. As a result of those experiences, I've decided the only people who are going to get that extent of help from me will be people who have proven their character over a long period of time. It's sad, but in this game, people pray on those who are helpful and generous. You need to keep your guard up. Just having to say that is pathetic and makes me angry, but it's true.

Doesn't mean I'm going to stop helping people, but it will be a measured amount. People who show me they're worth it will get the full extent of my assistance. I think it's the only way to be nice without getting burned. It is redeeming to see that so many generous people in this community do exist, however. I was beginning to feel like I was playing the fool.

Egwene Tyr · Jun 23, 2007, 09:50 AM // 09:50

It's funny, I was sitting here for the past couple hours and reading each post, and pretty much everyone is saying the same thing.
Sad thing is.. It's not just in the game this way.. in RL is the same thing.. People want there duck to fly in to there mouth already cooked.
I have had my share of bad experiences, it wont stop me tho from helping still, there are those who really appreciate it and then you got your foul apples.
Not much you can do about this problem tho. Either you help or you dont. It's a shot in the dark to know which way it will turn out.

UnknownGuest01 · Jun 23, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

I think it's not worth being nice because people see being nice as an weakness and will try to backstab you, when I see a person begging for money or such from me I just laugh and tell them I'm no fool.

TheMosesPHD · Jun 23, 2007, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Yeah, sort of like what Egwene was saying, you guys are all sort of making the same mistake when it comes to being nice. The OP said he gave away a very nice sword to a perfect stranger that only appeared like a noob. But appearances can obviously be decieving.

And if he was a noob, how could he be able to appreciate or understand the value of the sword that you gave him? He could've easily trashed it at the merch later on a whim when he got another sword drop that looked cool to him.

Another thing to note is that you should never give a begger what they want; give them what they need. Beggers are sometimes desperate, but many times they are just lazy.

Take the people who hold up cardboard on the side of the streets. People are always giving them money, but money can be used on anything, including drugs or alcohol. Most of the time when you give a streetside begger money, you are just feeding the addictions that made him homeless in the first place. Instead give them raw goods: food, a jacket, an umbrella, maybe even a job! If you can help the man's future condition how much better that is than just helping his present condition!

It's cute to say "It's the thought that counts.", but in matters of genuinely helping someone, you have to think carefully about what's truly helpful, otherwise you can end up seriously harming a person.

So yeah, be nice, it's a beautiful thing, but first be careful in deciding what the person's genuine needs are.

jeoliver · Jun 23, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

While I don't give things away to random players (I'm a pack rat, I just don't like to give up stuff, hell I don't even sell it.), I do go out of my way to help them if they are in need*. It really pisses me off to see people telling a new player all kinds of wrong information or giving them a hassle.

*Except gold or items and I am not 100% on that, if I am sure or relatively positive that it is a new player then I am likely to give them something as long as I have it.

snikerz · Jun 24, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

from my 2 years experience of guildwars, imo it does not pay off to be nice to others, i.e. give stuff/tips etc.
example, i helped a complete stranger, get cheap 1k armor, set him/her up with the right skills, and direct them in the right direction etc, adding them to your friend list and they never sign on ever again, waste of time and energy.

what does pay off is being cruel to the noobz

, misleading them in the wrong direction.

Tiny Killer · Jun 24, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by snikerz

misleading them in the wrong direction.

Isn't that the same as "leading them in the right direction"?

Matfei · Jul 09, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I gave some 14 year old 1.5k to go towards something he mentioned he was after... Next minute he's insulting my best friend (who'd been playing for 2 days at the time) about his build and profession choice, and making generally unsavoury comments about him for obviously no reason.

You'd think that my small amount of generosity would have helped him shut up, even if out of greed, hoping that being nice would net him more.

mr_groovy · Jul 09, 2007, 10:17 AM // 10:17

Being nice doesn't help, people are ignorent. (most of them anywayz).
My standard response is /point /laugh, guildhall

MYSTERYouse · Jul 09, 2007, 10:55 AM // 10:55

I am mostly nice to people which Ive met, once I was discussing about drunkard with one guy, which wanted to know about it more. Since I am going for Ale Hound, I gave him links to wiki about drunkard, explained how does drunkeness work and gave him one kind of each alcohol I had, so he can try it out. I think I gave him one spiked, shamrock, firewater, dwarfen ale and some others. After about 4 months the guy PMed me, that he have already achieved his L1 Drunkard and he dont wont to go further and have some alcohol for me. I was thinking, that he has some 20 pieces spare or so, but was very surpriced when he gave me around 300minutes of drinks. I play with this guy since then when I have time or when he needs a help. Conclusion: Being nice, you can make great friends in GuildWars.

Tijger · Jul 09, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by MYSTERYouse

Conclusion: Being nice, you can make great friends in GuildWars.

Exactly, thats how we came by our guildies and the other we regularly quest with.

Sometimes when you are nice people do not appreciate it for sure but I personally dont care, I keep doing what I do and the times when you get a real good friend out of it are more then worth the dumbasses.

Doomus · Jul 09, 2007, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by UnknownGuest01

I think it's not worth being nice because people see being nice as an weakness and will try to backstab you, when I see a person begging for money or such from me I just laugh and tell them I'm no fool.

I feel sorry for whoever wrote this. What a miserable life they must lead...

-Loki- · Jul 09, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by Doomus

I feel sorry for whoever wrote this. What a miserable life they must lead...

+ +

Lonesamurai · Jul 09, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by Doomus

I feel sorry for whoever wrote this. What a miserable life they must lead...

Aye, oh well, this is the world we live in huh

Shakkara · Jul 09, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

I'm still nice, just a bit less then I used to be. Had my share of disappointments, and now I only give things to people that write proper English. If they use 'u', and stuff like that, then I won't give anything or help them, as they are often stupid egocentric bastards. Sorry, but they are, most of the time.

I still give stuff away in Kamadan and Ascalon, but I just walk up to the newbies and put it in the trade window, instead of announcing it in the general chat only to get flooded by spamming beggars that insult me if they don't get anything. The type of player that takes your stuff and then begs for more and goes spewing profanity if they don't get more stuff right away is very annoying and often makes me depressed.

When it comes to trading I'm a honest person. I was trying to buy a broadsword, and after a few "100k + X ecto" offers, which I obviously turned down, there was someone offering me a req11 one. He didn't know what it was worth, and neither did I (besides that they aren't worth 100k + X ecto). So he said 8k. I said I'd give him 25k because I thought it was worth more then that. He didn't want to get more then 15k because he thought it was crap. So I put 30k in the trade window and insisted he would take it. It just felt great that he was a nice guy too, and I gladly paid him more then he asked for.

cellardweller · Jul 09, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Back in the early days of GW when blue firey dragon swords were still the bees knees I was happily giving away golds I'd gotten from griffon runs in daily quiz nights hosted by my "Tony Barber" toon. It was a fun environment... there's no way I'd do anything similar now... its just a different atmosphere with very different people.

Seissor · Jul 09, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34

There's being nice and then there's being a sucker. I'll be nice but im not going to dish out good stuff to people I dont know. If we're cool and have a friendship then gifts are abound.

I was running around SJM giving out gifts I got, when i noticed 2 ppl run for a gift, and one miss out, I gave them one of mine.

1 up and 2 down · Jul 10, 2007, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Heck with it... giving this it's own thread.

Two days ago a level 9 warrior is in Ascalon asking for a gold sword to buy. I have a spare... a req 9 Cruel Fanged sword of Enchanting, 15^50, 20% in storage... so rather than haggle a price I just gave it to him. Seemed real appreciative, I felt good about it.

Last night... I get an accidental PM from the guy.

Selling Req 9 Cruel Fanged Sword of Enchanting, 15^50, very nice Nightfall skin! 70K.

So... I respond to the guy... you're selling the sword I gave you? "No, I'd never do that! I'm going to keep it forever!"

o.O

Sometimes our species really disappoints me.

The real question here is if this was two days later how did he give an "accidental" pm. Like somone said before, he probably just sent that message to annoying.

I remember this weekend someone asked if the dragon festival started and I said no and then some random person pmed me asking me tons of questions about the festival because he had never been to one. So after that night I thought I heard the last of him...but no I didn't he asked me some more questions and I happily answered them. Then on saturday night he told me to meet him at SJM dis 33 over at the boardwalk. I couldn't because I was in a mission and I asked him why and his response was this "because I want some money...lol" after that I put him on ignore list. I put him there because I am not going to be talked to like I am some idiot and I should give him money when ever he wants it.

So moral of the story be nice but when it comes to giving items be skeptical about everyone.